Lady Gaga and Lin-Manuel Miranda interviewed each other as part of Variety’s latest Actors on Actors segment. In a clip of their conversation (which was posted on Dec. 27), Gaga talks about the importance of “Shallow,” the Grammy-nominated love song at the center of “A Star Is Born.”
She focuses specifically on her and co-star-director Bradley Cooper’s characters talking to each other in a convenience store parking lot as the song is being written. She says, “This is a conversation between a man and a woman and he actually listens to her. I think we live in a time when this is something that’s really important to women. Women want to be heard. It’s been kind of shocking and amazing to watch people latch onto that song so much.”
She goes on to dub the song one of the “most authentic” songs that she’s written.
The scene marks a pivotal moment in the budding relationship between troubled rock star Jackson Maine and shy-yet-intuitive unknown singer-songwriter Ally. At that moment, they both sort of see through each other’s walls through the vehicle of the song. Yet, she has no idea he’s so in tune with her until he surprises her with the first verse of the song when he coaxes her out on stage to sing with him for the first time in front of a massive live crowd.
Jackson’s display of faith in her as an artist is life-changing and Ally’s reciprocal admiration and respect for him also makes a deep impact on him. Overall, fans and critics alike have fiercely embraced Cooper and Gaga’s “A Star Is Born” remake. It is currently nominated for a Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture Drama, with Cooper and Gaga also receiving Best Actor and Best Actress in a Motion Picture Drama nods, respectively. Cooper is also nominated for Best Director. The 2018 version follows the 1976 "A Star Is Born" remake starring Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson.
Gaga’s observation in her conversation with Miranda rings quite true, given today’s social media-mobile device age in which it seems like people frequently tune into digital devices or text friends and family more than they participate in real voice-to-voice or face-to-face conversations.
“Shallow” topped charts in multiple countries, including the UK Singles Chart and Billboard’s Dance Club Songs chart in the U.S. It has been shortlisted for a Best Original Song Oscar nomination, though the 2019 Oscar nominations have yet to be announced.
Lady Gaga has long been known for being an outspoken voice for marginalized groups via her empowering Born This Way Foundation. “Shallow” marks another anthemic, inspirational song about finding the inner strength to just “dive in” and go for more than the safe “shallow” end. Lady Gaga co-wrote “Shallow” with Andrew Wyatt, Anthony Rossomando and Mark Ronson.
Watch the entire clip of Lady Gaga’s discussion with Lin-Manuel Miranda above and stay tuned to AXS for Lady Gaga updates.